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September 15, 2011

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_BillGraham

Kris: I think you're on the right track. There is an exemption for inside salespeople if their commission earnings are at least 50% of total compensation (or is that just in California?). Maybe they aren't meeting that requirement.

Joshua Westbrook

Here's my take:

The exemption only applies to employees who receive more than half their monthly income from commissions.

This caveat trips up alot of companies.

Not exactly sure what Groupon's commissions are, but I doubt that it's more than 50% in most cases.

KD

Bill and Josh - Thanks for stopping by and weighing in.

Josh - looked up some stuff off your note, and I think what I described is still at play related to inside/outside sales (which gets into autonomy, etc.)

From a DOL Fact sheet - http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17f_outsidesales.pdf

Outside Sales Exemption
To qualify for the outside sales employee exemption, all of the following tests must be met:
• The employee’s primary duty must be making sales (as defined in the FLSA), or obtaining orders or
contracts for services or for the use of facilities for which a consideration will be paid by the client or
customer; and
• The employee must be customarily and regularly engaged away from the employer’s place or places of
business.
The salary requirements of the regulation do not apply to the outside sales exemption. An employee who does
not satisfy the requirements of the outside sales exemption may still qualify as an exempt employee under one
of the other exemptions allowed by Section 13(a)(1) of the FLSA and the Part 541 regulations if all the criteria
for the exemption is met.

First time in awhile I looked up a DOL fact sheet .....

KD

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Tim

Kris,

All the daily deal sites work on a telesales (inside sales) model. Add in the fact that startups don't generally worry about pesky things like the FLSA and you see where they got in trouble. It appears from the article that Groupon didn't know employees were misclassified until they hired some experienced managers. If I was at Living Social I'd start looking at how my salespeople are classified right away....

Human Resource Management System

Perhaps this so called exemption only applies to those who earn more through commissions?

Lots of Comp Experience

Everyone's missing one important aspect of the commissioned, inside sales exemption - it only applies to retail or service establishments (both federally and in CA)... Don't think Groupon is even close to qualifying for that!

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Groupon Inc. accused two former sales managers in a lawsuit of taking confidential trade secrets with them when they quit the Internet coupon company.

Daily Dealer

I have a question that somewhat pertains to this. I, too, work for a similar Daily Deal site and they just took us to "Commission Only" status, but are still required to work 40 hour weeks and they hold the right to market our deals whether we close the deal or not, therefore not paying us a salary or base AND not giving us true potential to make our commissions. Does anyone know if this breaks any FLSA laws?

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there are some interesting points in the conversation, for those who care to have a listen.

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