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September 10, 2009

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Paul Hebert

Where do I start?

First - I've worked at companies that made me sign an non-compete. I've also worked at companies that didn't. I liked the one that didn't better.

Second - the idea of a non-compete is based on the assumption that I'm not trustworthy. Not the best way to start a relationship. Every reason given for having a non-compete is based on the fact that you're afraid that I will use propriety information to compete against you. That = lack of trust.

Third - if I am untrustworthy - I can easily go to work at a competitor in a "different position" and still funnel the same information to people to compete against you so at best you delay my direct involvement for a while - but you can't eliminate it.

Fourth - as the CEO said to me from the company that did not have the non-compete - "if you leave us that's our fault, not yours. This makes us want to keep you if you're successful. If you're not successful we'd just as soon have you go to the competition."

Fifth - non-competes are somewhat unenforceable in many states. It's losing some of it's power so why bother.

Sixth - in most businesses what we think is proprietary, secret, etc isn't. We almost always overvalue our "proprietary knowledge" so the premise that that knowledge will do damage is somewhat suspect. Unless you're tasked with the 11 herbs & spices from the Colonel - or have the Coke formula - not much is "proprietary" - and what is - probably isn't that important.

Seventh - I just don't like them. So there!

Crystal Peterson

Not a fan of non-competes, but I am a fan of non-solicitiation agreements. It doesn't keep you from going to work for the competition but it does keep you from trying to solicit any of our business, current and prospects. But Paul makes some good points, especially #4 - if I have a top-notch employee and they leave me for the competition, that's our fault. Why were we not engaged enough with that employee to keep him?
By the way, classic clip from Coming To America!

Steve Boese

I have signed them once or twice in the past figuring they were not enforceable anyway, but I agree with Paul and Crystal I am definitely not a fan from either side. My main issue with the post is that you buried the Sexual Chocolate video too far down in the post, it should have been the lead!

Allyson Smith

In my previous company, sales people were asked to sign non-competes. We were told by regional HR leadership not to push the issue if the candidate didn't want to sign which completely negated their value. I think they are entirely too restrictive. In my current company, we use non-solicitation agreements which I think may be more effective in achieving what you want. They are only for a year after an employee leaves but during that time they can work wherever they wish in whatever role but they are unable to directly solicit away current employees or clients without fear of litigation. I think that people ultimately respect them. In the industry that I work in, this is a necessity. The industry is very incestuous.

Lance Haun

"I typically remind them to think about why the candidate doesn’t want to sign the agreement. Either they don’t want to commit, or they have had a bad experience in the past (which means they bailed on their company to go to competition), or they are paranoid, which is a personality trait that cannot lead to good things."

Those are false choices presented by "John." One of the reasons may be the non-compete is completely unreasonable. Or, of course, you can just assume that anybody who disagrees with your company's policy is paranoid or disloyal and doesn't have a legitimate point.

I've never had to sign a non-compete and I wouldn't sign a non-compete unless...

1. It was limited to very direct competitors (by name preferably if it is a tight industry). None of this vague "determined by the company BS." Spell it out.
2. The time frame and other terms aren't unreasonable.
3. There existed some sort of out clause or payout if there was an involuntary termination.

In a lot of ways though, I am a lot like John. Who wants an employee that just carelessly enters into an agreement that can hurt their earning power? If the business wants to protect their bottom line and get respect for it, the business has to respect a future employee wants to protect their bottom line.

Two way street.

Ann Bares

Hey Kris - good discussion! My 2 cents worth... As someone who grew up in consulting firms and surrounded by non-competes, I favor Charles Green's (The Trusted Advisor) take on them - that they are "manifestation of sick management thinking" and "symptomatic of failed people management" - as expressed in his post below, titled "You Empower What You Fear":

http://trustedadvisor.com/trustmatters/120/You-Empower-What-You-Fear

So THERE!

Kris Dunn

Duuuuuuuuudes -

I wasn't saying Non-competes were a good thing or enforcable, I was just simply saying that if you have to communicate and defened them, I like my brother's talking points.

Plus, I'm dropping the microphone like the guy in the Coming to America clip RIGHT NOW...

John

Why would any company ever hire someone stupid enough to believe a non-compete was binding??? I signed one of those once and gave my two weeks when a competing company offered about 5500 more. Not a big difference but there were other issues involved. The prior company tried that nonsense on me which turned out to be a good laugh for me and my new employer. Just for trying that silliness, I went ahead and skipped out on my two weeks. Not my style ordinarily but respect is a two way street.

Kent Pritchett

Late comment, but I used this approach a few weeks ago in Singapore when recontracting employees who came to us via acqusition. The new contract had enhanced non-compete and NDA provisions and I focused on the talking points provided and was able to navigate through the discussion. They weren't happy, but they understood...that was all I could aks for.

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