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May 11, 2009

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Michael D. Haberman, SPHR

I once had a young foreman who had a great future in supervision. One night, after his shift, he went to the maintenance department to make a BBQ grill out of a 55 gallon drum. He should not have been doing that and especially should not have used the drum he used. It has held solvent based adhesive. When he started cutting with a torch it blew up, actually blew up. In a plant that used solvents that could have burned the entire plant to the ground.

We fired him the next day, despite his promise. We could not have a future leader doing something so stupid.

John

Christ a 14 year old with basic CAD knowledge could have knocked up that photo shot in a couple of minutes, saved the idiot his job, saved on carbon footprints, not scared half of NY and had more money in the coffers to bail the banks out.

Diane Biersteker

Suspend first, investigate and then discharge.  Timespan should be less than one week.  Makes a firm statement to other employees, especially in regards to offensive workplace behavior or sexual harassment.  In these cases, I will take the risk of "over-reacting" anytime instead of under-reacting.  Although we still cover ourselves by offering a minor severance package that is just enough to get them to sign the general release and waiver of all claims.

Brian

I believe this is a part of the leadership spectrum that tends to be avoided because it requires tough, difficult and sometimes career altering decisions. As I saw it, this was undoubtedly a "heads are going to roll" incident. It was our generation's version of yelling "fire" in a movie theater. It was a clear demonstration of egregiously poor decision making requiring management to review policies and procedures to ensure the risk of such future decision making is reduced or eliminated. I would imagine that behind the scenes Caldera was forced to resign. So why not let the position of the President be known that he asked for the resignation vs. let it come to his door step? Being early in his Presidency, Obama should insist on as well as demonstrate personal accountability of same page leadership. In the end it may have sent a message that he is soft on the tougher, not so glamorous aspects of his executive team leadership skills.

btw...if the best pic of the bunch required using New Jersey as the back drop...maybe that's a reason to continue the argument that the Statue of Liberty should actually be a piece of NJ property!

Brian (from NJ)

Geronimo

At least in California, if the company makes the decision, the employee's submission of a "resignation" has little effect under employment law. The law turns on whether the employee "had the option to continue working for the organization." If not, the company was the moving party.

Cosmetic resignations were something we accepted if tendered, at the S&P 500 company where I ran the HR function for 20 years. We'd rather do that than get in a wrangle about the ins and outs and appearances of declining such a communication from an employee. But, I always told the employee forthrightly that her / his resignation after receiving notice of termination didn't have any effect. If we decided the employee couldn't stay, we ginned up the appropriate diligence, documented it, and took responsibility for our decision. We also had a conservative reference policy, so possible future employers couldn't get from us whether the employee or the company was the moving party.

Public sector employees seem to have a bunch of Byzantine practices such as cabinet members submitting resignations en masse at a change of administration, which the new elective / appointive boss accepts or rejects. It's a different world if you are in government, especially if you've created negative press for your agency. Just speaking as a citizen, I'd be much happier with how tax dollars are used if the agency took considered-but-prompt action, and claimed responsibility for being the moving party. Collaborating with an employee who has created a liability, and accepting a face-saving resignation is a bad practice, subject to lots of post facto failure modes.

Ajlouny

I have experienced companies that don't like the mess of firing, and give the option of a resignation. "Leaving with dignity", and giving the impression of a voluntary resignation. Makes their next job search easier and doesn't leave bad feelings where there can be a "postal" reaction.

Coach HR

For my two cents, most times we just get rid of the leader. The really sad thing is as the public we'll never know the rest of the story. Like was there anyone who mentioned public safety issues or that they could have used Photo Shop and achieved the same results?

In all the noise on this let's hope the new administration will take a moment to find out why new ideas weren't on the table or didn't get any air time.

Changing your results means changing your thinking and changing your behavior. Let's hope the firing added more value than just satisfying the public's need for justice.

Denise Cooper

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