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March 24, 2008

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evil.HRISGuy

Can hourly workers be supervisors?

In California, indeed; many who may be considered "management" in other states are paid hourly--especially in retail.

malcolmkass

"As for the need to tip at Starbucks, I think I have figured it out. The tips are the grease in the system that prevents your local barista from treating you like you just special ordered a Whopper..."

Great, now I need to bribe someone for a decent cup of joe.

Wally Bock

I think there may be something else going on here, Kris. Starbucks likes to present itself as an "enlightened" company that's the kind of place that Howard Schultz' dad would want to work at. My sense is that Starbucks tries to set itself apart from other fast-food companies in several ways. One is the "European café experience" which has not existed in any Starbucks I've ever visited. Another way is as the employer that treats people better. This may be a crack in the image. People who are treated better rarely mount class action suits.

Steve Roesler

Kris, like you, I'm a pretty generous tipper. Not because I'm flush with bucks, but because I know that waiters and waitresses work hard and depend on tips to make a decent living. (I will stiff someone for exceptionally rude and indifferent "service').

The whole tipping thing with Starbucks and similar situations is off-putting to me.

Starbucks is not a European cafe experience nor is its coffee or ambience exceptional in any way. I do tip, though only to those who remember me, what I order (always for my wife--I don't drink Starbucks coffee), and who engage me in some way. My habit is usually to drop a few dollars in periodically; I don't feel compelled to leave something each time.

You've made me think more about this whole thing. What I realize is that, had Starbucks focused on exceptional coffee, genuine European style expresso makers requiring skilled and committed baristasl, and cafe ambience--I'd feel differently about tipping. But they chose to "brand" CDs, knick-knacks, and assorted "stuff", thus making it an ordinary retail experience. As a result, I see the baristas as cashiers.

Kelly

Now of course I've got to be opposite - I am a tipper - I am the pain in the ass double tall skinny caramel latte drinker who wants the drink the right way (don't you forget about that extra shot of espresso!) AND I tend to remember where I came from - 20 years ago I was paying my way through school working at Baskin Robbins and the 19th hole of a local golf course and those tips made all the difference in me being able to really save some serious cash each summer. Especially the summer I knew I had to purchase that god forsaken $300 business law text the following fall!!

So tip your Barista - if you can afford a $5 coffee, is another $1 really going to break you?

Kris Dunn

Wally/Steve - I get what you guys are saying about the ambience at Starbucks not really being special. I guess at your regular Stabucks, it's not the decor that I like, it's that for all the warts - cluttered floorplans, CD's in your face at every turn, the folks behind the counter do seem generally pleasant. So much so when I hit one in an airport that staffed with normal "talent", that's when its off putting for me.

Kelly - as for you, you've probally guilted me into tipping for my next cup of regualar brew - we'll see how long it lasts....

KD

HR Wench

Wally does have a point. However, this smells more like one barista going to an employment lawyer who heard "I work for S-BUCKS" and saw dollar signs. My verdict: it stinks.

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