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February 15, 2008

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Frank Giancola

Kris,

I've never heard of a hiring manager who couldn't make a phone call to deliver good news. If they can't do that, then I doubt that they can deliver a negative performance review or discipline an employee.

Frank Giancola

Bruce

I agree that the manager should make the call, but in my experience it falls to HR far more often than not.

HR Wench

As long as someone in HR made it perfectly clear to the manager he should call the candidate to offer (and WHY - some managers truly don't know the why behind this) then I would say your assessment may be correct.

If not, it might be a communication error...perhaps he called him and the candidate wanted to look at the actual document prior to accepting (I've done this many times in my own career). But his communication to you was just the part about the email.

At any rate, I totally agree the hiring manager should make the offer. I went to an interview recently for an HR Generalist position and the hiring manager asked ONE question while her subordinate asked all the rest. It made me feel like the subordinate was going to be in charge of this position - but she wasn't. It was weird and it made the manager seem weak in my eyes. I'm all for team interviews but I want to know if I like the manager first.

Duane Kuypier

The best course of action is for the hiring manager to make a personal call. The prospective employee will have the greatest connection to the hiring manager, if employed, so the connection should start with this significant event. Also, an e-mail is too impersonal.

If the HR department makes the call, there probably isn't much difference. You probably won't lose many candidates in doing so. HR does a better job of selling the company, has greater knowledge of its HR programs, and has more experience with people who want to negotiate their compensation and benefits.

E-mails are ok for people at lower levels and it hasn't been proven that you lose them by using them. They have the advantage of putting the offer in writing, which is a concern to some people have.

Duane

Kris

Frank - Happens all the time in the field. Entry level managers, old pros who are very good, a lot of them have problems with this step. Some are simply introverted, a lot don't want to deal with what feels like confrontation when the candidate wants to ask for more money.

HRW - When I proofed the post, I wondered if I wasn't clear enough on what we tell them. We tell them verbally and in writing that the expectation is that they make the offer verbally. Many of those that call are probably praying for voicemail...

Duane - I agree that I don't think we would lose many candidates by making the offer. I just think this is the right way to do it, the self-actualizing way for the organization...

But I still beat my head against the wall when it goes like this....

Thanks - KD

Joe Vickrey

As someone who came from the 3rd party recruiting field into the corporate recruiting world, I still practice the same philosophies. Prior to turning the last phone call over to my dept. head, I'll have the pre-close conversation with the candidate to be sure they are on board with the offer, prior to actually having the manager extend the verbal offer via phone. With some of my manager we will make the call together, some as a training excercise and some as a confidence builder for them. In today's marketplace, I leave nothing to chance, if it's a candidate we want!

George Kraldis

At our organization, verbal and written offers of employment come from HR. This ensures the consistency and timeliness of offers made with policies, procedures and legal obligations. HR practitioners and managers are jointly involved in the recruitment and selection process and HR Practitioners are treated as an extension of the business unit they support. There is therefore no reason to have the hiring manager make the offers of employment.

Geronimo

The goals are: 1) make it a cordial and appealing experience for the applicant; 2) say *exactly* what you mean, leaving nothing ambiguous; and 3) be sure that the person making the offer speaks for the company, and isn't improvising unless authorized to do so.

As long-time head of HR for an S&P500 company in Silicon Valley, our HR recruiters made the offer as a rule, and line managers made it as the exception. Might have done it differently elsewhere, but the wars for talent in Silicon Valley never abated, and to lots of candidates, everything is negotiable. Way too easy for a panicky supervisor to get tongue-tied with an assertive applicant and agree to something that's hard for the company to ratify, or that's unfair to the people already in the job.

With key positions and complex compensation packages, we'd huddle to script the offer, sometimes having a senior compensation person meeting with the applicant.

If a production manager is hiring her / his 27th standard-paid process operator or assembler, and wants to be the face associated with the offer, that's fine, after appropriate training and rehearsal. But mostly, we felt we increased the odds of saying what we meant if an HR person explained the offer and handled the applicant's Q&A.

KT

Interesting perspectives shared by all - love the two sides of the coin being equally represented both for the corporate recruiter and the hiring manager in extending the offers.
At my present organization and with many that I have serviced in the past, the recruiter has always been the one to extend with the hiring manager only jumping in and owning the extension piece if they are as was mentioned previous, an outgoing individual that understands and appreciates the effect that these types of suttle nuances might have on potential new hires, and the importance of 'presentation' in insuring the candidate hire is a done deal.
I have heard others in the past look to encourage just sending the package or extending the offer before you know what the response would be and I have to say - not a fan of that type of methodology- someone once said - think it was a lawyer or something - never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to. I'd say good practice moving forward - never extend until the candidate is saying 'YES, Yes, YES' five ways to Sunday (or however that saying goes) -
Another aspect to consider that feedback is appreciated on would be in regards to the physical act of extending - extending verbally over the phone - assuming candidate accepts the role or is at least somewhat interested, a formal offer package is generated and delivered to the candidate - recently I had heard that some do not put the time aside to create a physical offer package and mearly email

offer docs to candidates to offer position - my thoughts on this - The effort required to generate a physical 'offer package' and the time / dollars necessary to overnight the package to the candidate is minimal in comparison to the impression to the employee that not only did we want them to work for us, but that we 'care enough to send the very best' - any feedback on the physical offer vs the emailed offer is greatly appreciated

Puneet

1. While hiring the HR Manager for any IT organization what are the main 3 terms Hiring Mgr should ask.

2. While hiring the HR Executive what are the 3 main terms ...

3. While hiring the Senior person in the organization (i.e. Operation mgr/CEO)...what would be the questions.

Waiting for your valuable reply in this regard...

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