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November 01, 2007

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HR Wench

My understanding of most no-fault attendance policies is unexcused (not pre-approved or protected by law) absences are capped. Once an employee goes over the cap they are progressively disciplined up to and including termination of their employment.

In my experience, it is never a good idea to deny an excused paid time off request unless the absence would literally be detrimental to the company (i.e. more than half the team requests the same day off).

I've read about this case and although it does not give many details it sounds as though while the company did set a precedent in always granting paid time off requests, they did not necessarily communicate a change in policy or communicate the actual denial of the two individual's requests AND they jumped right to termination instead of building a case through progressive discipline.

The mistake I see is not in having a no-fault attendance policy. The mistake is poor management in general.

Ian Fernandes

yes , no-fault attendance policy might be mistakes for poor management
Call centers have their pros and cons,

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Evil HR Lady

I agree with HR Wench--bad management is at issue. If I ask for a day in July off and I make that request in January, and as a call center employee it's not like what I'm doing is so unique that I can't be sacrificed on a specific day, I expect that when July rolls around I'll be able to take the day off.

I cannot believe the managers said "no" when the date rolled around. That's crazy power-tripping management.

Evil HR Lady

Plus, I ask for days off for important events waaaay in advance. Summer 2006 I had a family reunion scheduled for an entire week. I knew the dates by August 2005, so I put it on the calendar right then and there.

People laughed at me, but I did not want to be denied the vacation because others had the same day off ahead of me.

I love my vacation!

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I would just like to comment as I was personally involved with this case. The facts released in this document do NOT reflect the actual events. It's obvious that everyone reacts without having 100% of the facts. Having sat through the four day trial and as a tax payer, I can't believe the verdict. Nobody mentions that every professional was dismissed from the jury. Anyone holding AT&T stock was dismissed....AT&T lost before the trial began...."big company VS poor little me"! The jury was made up of unemployed, self employed, and otherwise lower income homemakers who have not a clue of the needs of a company that has to provide customer service or pay fines and penalties to the state and federal government if sevice measures are not met. These two employees knew upon hire that the company and the title in which they were hired required 24/7 coverage. When the work unit is covered by a collective bargining agreement and the number of employees are already scheduled off per the contract, the needs of the company providing prompt customer service is necessary. And by the way, this was NOT a call center enviornment. Any of you that claim "poor management" have not a clue of the law and the requirments of running a company regulated by state and federal law.

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